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| spiderfingers |
 Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Mahu tanya kejap about true bypass.
I notice that pedals that do not use true bypass, or rather, those with electronic buffers/FET will boost your signals.
I find that I could use them in bypass mode and plug into the line IN of the pc for use in amplitube 2 with decent results.
I used my pedals as preamp this way.
No doubt some people said non-true bypass pedals suck tone... but they also boost the signals... this means, when you have so many chains of pedals together, isn't it logical that pedals that are not true bypass will still have enough of signal to be amplified by the end of the chain even though the tone might not be 100 percent original ?
if using a lot of true bypass pedals together, wouldn't the signal get weaker and weaker ? |
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| spiderfingers |
| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| spiderfingers wrote: | Mahu tanya kejap about true bypass.
I notice that pedals that do not use true bypass, or rather, those with electronic buffers/FET will boost your signals.
I find that I could use them in bypass mode and plug into the line IN of the pc for use in amplitube 2 with decent results.
I used my pedals as preamp this way.
No doubt some people said non-true bypass pedals suck tone... but they also boost the signals... this means, when you have so many chains of pedals together, isn't it logical that pedals that are not true bypass will still have enough of signal to be amplified by the end of the chain even though the tone might not be 100 percent original ?
if using a lot of true bypass pedals together, wouldn't the signal get weaker and weaker ? |
bro.
read about smart buffer (can check klein or mi audio or indy guitarist or other brands). this will boost your signal chain, if your are using 30 metres cables. hardwire is another thing that is not a real truebypass, some signal will still travel to the circuit (i.e boss pocket tuner) cutting off some of your good treble frequencies.
here's some links of a very good buffer..
http://www.stephensonamps.com/k2bufferpedal.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEaPrLNZaLU
http://www.guitarpedalstore.com/guitar-effects-pedals.asp/pid_9863/productname_VHT-VALVULATOR-I
or this,
http://www.wamplerpedals.com/buffer
also, some buffer are quite ok, like the ones claimed by the makers of route 66 pedal (cleans up the mess). oh, not forgetting, early boss ds1 with the blue diodes version and the early maxon dns2 have a good buffer (10v version). they are superb. try these pedals i mentioned and you will know what i mean.
see pictures below. ds1 blue diodes and ce2 blue diodes.
most of ds1 and ce2 with blue diodes are beautiful sounding when on or bypassed. they both are buffered. comparing these two with their siblings from taiwan factory, i much prefer the blue diodes that is MIJ, either green, blue or black label. maybe there are other things and components involved, but you still need to test them. there no guarantee that all MIJ will have a handsome sound.
i play blues, and i don't need lenghty cable or wireless. i'm using george L cables and pedal connectors. sudah cukup.
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: |
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read this long time ago. very good info indeed. that is one perception when you look things at the angle. tech 21 pedals are more to the direct console recording or power amp, but when it comes to direct to a standard amp inputs, i have other pedals in mind. that is my personal preference. to be or not to be true bypass.... |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I notice that pedals that do not use true bypass, or rather, those with electronic buffers/FET will boost your signals. |
- Yes, tapi pekara ne adalah amat kecik dan susah nak di dengar dengan telinga.
- Tone yg kita maksudkan adalah detail.
- Maksudnya kalo u ada 100% signal from the pickup, Fet buffer akan serap 1%.
- 1 pedal boss contohnya ada 2 buffer, buffer in dan buffer out.
- dala kes ne, sebijik pedal boss akan serap 2% dari original tone.
- Bayangkan kalo 10 pedal, maybe akan jadi 20% the detail kena serap.
- sebab tu tidak disyorkan pakai pedal boss lebih dari 5.
- Atau kita gunaa looper box utk asingkan buffer pedal OFF yg kita tak guna.
- Sebenarnya, design FET switching pada boss tu memang fail. Ya aku stuju padal Diod switch tu.
- tapi utk circuit boss, kita tak boleh remove the buffer gitu ajer, sebab bunyi pedal tu boleh berubah. Sebabtu kita boleh katakan buffer circuit pun main peranan dalam overall tone effect tersebut.
| Quote: | I find that I could use them in bypass mode and plug into the line IN of the pc for use in amplitube 2 with decent results.
I used my pedals as preamp this way.
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- Sebenarnya pedal guitar tak sesuai cucuk terus line in.
- pedal guitar nyer output signal dia besar dan independent still tinggi.
- line in pc, perlukan low indpendent signal.
- so ada baiknya u carik interface lain macam line 6 nyer toneport ka, atau kalo nak grand solo wire, M audio, behringer murah pun ada.
- tak la maksudnya tak boleh cucuk sampai tak kuar bunyi.
- keadah cucuk terus ne boleh merosakan sound card anda kerana kerja berat.
- Carik interface yg sesuai sebelom masuk PC.
| Quote: | | No doubt some people said non-true bypass pedals suck tone... but they also boost the signals... this means, when you have so many chains of pedals together, isn't it logical that pedals that are not true bypass will still have enough of signal to be amplified by the end of the chain even though the tone might not be 100 percent original ? |
- Dia ada pro n con kat sini.
- once ur signal not buffered, kita kan terdedah kepada masalah kehilangan signal dari cable, patch wire dan independent tak sesuai.
- juga kehilangan akibat resistance. rintangan cable.
- Tapi kalo u ada buffer, kita terselamat dari masalah cable.
- Walo cam manapun, kita tak katakan buffer tu SUCXK, Sebab design buffer la yg kena betul. boss pakai transistor 5 sen utk buffer maybe nak cut cost.
- boss boleh pakai IC buffer macam Ibanez sonic distortion pakai, tapi for sure mahal sikit laaa.
- preamp bass yg sedap pakai IC buffer jer dan tak der orang complane pasal tone sukkk.
- kalo kita kata buffer suckkk tone adalah pekara yg kurang tepat.
- Sepatutnya, BAD DESIGN BUFFER SUCCCKK tone, baru lebih tepat.
- notthing wrong bout being buffered... kakakaka
| Quote: | | if using a lot of true bypass pedals together, wouldn't the signal get weaker and weaker ? |
- Yaaaa, ya signal akan makin lemah pasal independent tak cukup.
- Signal akan makin lemah disebabkan rintangan length cable.
- Top end atau high freq nyer detail plak akan hilang disebabkan capasitan.
- tanpa buffer, anda akan mengalami kesukaran utk match pedal anda dengan +ve ground design pedal macam fuzz face or wah. Diorang gadoh siap tarik rambut nanti ... hehheheheh
- Pendekan ceta dengan buffer, u hilang signal dari buffer tu.
- Tapi Tanpa buffer, u akan terdedah dengan pekara lain macam capasitan dan resistance. Oleh tu, kalo nak pakai true bypass u kena pakai cable yg baik. [Baik maksudnya bukan Mahal... kakkakak]
- Kalo u pakai buffer pedal, masalah cable capasitan, independent boleh diabaikan.
- So pekara yg paling betul adalah go for true bypass tapi buffered signal.
- Cam mana tu? Pernah dengar buffer pedal.
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| ha ha ha! positive ground punya complication belum kira ya cosmo.. |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| browndog2woof wrote: | | ha ha ha! positive ground punya complication belum kira ya cosmo.. |
- pedal positive ground ne samseng kampong dusun.
- asik nak gadoh dengan pedal lain jer.
- Tak reti nak berkongsi kampong tol. kakakka.
- dia ingat amp tu dia sorang jer punya. kakakkaakak
- bila kongsi dengan pedal lain, mula la dia merajuk... kakkakka.
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| kesatriaBAJAhitam |
| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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gua rase kan,
lu org kan(mr.woof & mr.cosmo) kene wat buku pasal pedal efx/gitar/amp.
dr gua bace mag music kat msia nih yg gua pun leh cari info tuh kat tenet cume die dh translate dr english ke BM. |
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| radioflyer |
| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: |
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ape brg buku.
kelas le.
ade makan2 skali.
pastu video kn.
pastu leh jadi rujukan.
buku malas nk bace lah bro.
hehehe.
we want more!hahaha.
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| kesatriaBAJAhitam |
| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: |
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kate membace yelah best.
klu kelas mahal.
kos minyak lagi..
tol lagi.
satu kelas mau rm50,
klu buku >rm100.
skali bayar je..
tp klu kelas,dpt try vintage pny brg.
k gak tu yek. |
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| kesatriaBAJAhitam wrote: | kate membace yelah best.
klu kelas mahal.
kos minyak lagi..
tol lagi.
satu kelas mau rm50,
klu buku >rm100.
skali bayar je..
tp klu kelas,dpt try vintage pny brg.
k gak tu yek. |
satu masa dulu ada awek sebelah rumah aku satu masa dulu... body sangat mari.. bila orng tanya, aku ada sorang roomate tau dia punya size dan dimension serta solid molid badan awek tu...
so satu hari dia gempak la lagi satu member aku lagi sorang. dia visitor dari tempat lain.. mamat tu humble je.. jadi roomate aku tanya la dia buat apa datang sini? dia cakap dia nak pickup awek tu keluar la, tunggu awek tu habis mandi je.....
moral of the story... pegang tara sama dgn tau specs je.... itu feel mau. tapi kalo korang pegang awek tarak feel, wa tak boleh tolong la. |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Salah.
Moral of the story.
- kalo nak bawak awek kuar, pastikan dia mandi dulu.
- kakakakakakakkakakakak.
- dari situ kita boleh kenal, dia pakai aper sampu, aper sabun, aper minyak wangi, berapa lama tacap.
- kalo semua bau brand murah, mean itu awek mantaince kureng.
- tapi semua bau ratus ratus, huhuhu, pastikan balik modal laaa.
- kakakakkakakak
Off topic.
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| kesatriaBAJAhitam |
| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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WALAUPUN GUA ADE 'AWEK KAMPUNG,HANTARAN KECIK'.
SO FAR,MAINTAINANCE AGAK TGGI N RARE.
TIME NAK KAHWIN,TAKKAN CARI 'MAK ANDAM' CHOWKIA PNYE KOT.
DH KAHWIN,
PELAN2 GUA CARI 'UMAH BANGLO'.
DAH ADE UMAH,CARI KERETA SPORT 'PEDAL MINYAK TAK SUMBAT'.
FOREMAN PUN TAKKAN NAK FOREMAN CHOWKIA GAK.
ADE REZEKI LEBIH,BARU CARI BINI NO 2,BODY MARI PNYE.
MERENGET PUN ADE STIM.
KLU BOLEH TGGL SATU 'UMAH' KASI TGGL.
KLU TAK LEH,BARU CARI LEN 'UMAH'.
MSTI KENE BANGLO GAK.. |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| kesatriaBAJAhitam wrote: | WALAUPUN GUA ADE 'AWEK KAMPUNG,HANTARAN KECIK'.
SO FAR,MAINTAINANCE AGAK TGGI N RARE.
TIME NAK KAHWIN,TAKKAN CARI 'MAK ANDAM' CHOWKIA PNYE KOT.
DH KAHWIN,
PELAN2 GUA CARI 'UMAH BANGLO'.
DAH ADE UMAH,CARI KERETA SPORT 'PEDAL MINYAK TAK SUMBAT'.
FOREMAN PUN TAKKAN NAK FOREMAN CHOWKIA GAK.
ADE REZEKI LEBIH,BARU CARI BINI NO 2,BODY MARI PNYE.
MERENGET PUN ADE STIM.
KLU BOLEH TGGL SATU 'UMAH' KASI TGGL.
KLU TAK LEH,BARU CARI LEN 'UMAH'.
MSTI KENE BANGLO GAK.. |
ceta sampai awek jer baru, dah emagine kawin dah... kakkakaka.
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| kesatriaBAJAhitam wrote: | WALAUPUN GUA ADE 'AWEK KAMPUNG,HANTARAN KECIK'.
SO FAR,MAINTAINANCE AGAK TGGI N RARE.
TIME NAK KAHWIN,TAKKAN CARI 'MAK ANDAM' CHOWKIA PNYE KOT.
DH KAHWIN,
PELAN2 GUA CARI 'UMAH BANGLO'.
DAH ADE UMAH,CARI KERETA SPORT 'PEDAL MINYAK TAK SUMBAT'.
FOREMAN PUN TAKKAN NAK FOREMAN CHOWKIA GAK.
ADE REZEKI LEBIH,BARU CARI BINI NO 2,BODY MARI PNYE.
MERENGET PUN ADE STIM.
KLU BOLEH TGGL SATU 'UMAH' KASI TGGL.
KLU TAK LEH,BARU CARI LEN 'UMAH'.
MSTI KENE BANGLO GAK.. |
true bypass tak? pakai tube ko? nkt275 punya component ka? kalau tak ikut specs ni aku tak mau... adek ko pon nak poster gak.. malam dia datang.. |
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