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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:16 am    Post subject: Guitar Intonation Setting Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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errmm kasi up ckt thread ni huhuhu

nak tumpang tanya pada yg mereka yg arif

kalau guitar/bass yg ada double trus rod mcm mana pulak cara yg paling sesuai nak adjust turs rod...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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tq bro... aku gne artucle nie blajar setting intonation.. tapi satu je... 12 fret dah sama, tapi 5th fret lari skit, sedikit sharp... so bagaimana?

en moderator bleh buat sticky x article nih? susah tol nak cari
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PVCpipe wrote:
tq bro... aku gne artucle nie blajar setting intonation.. tapi satu je... 12 fret dah sama, tapi 5th fret lari skit, sedikit sharp... so bagaimana?

en moderator bleh buat sticky x article nih? susah tol nak cari


- basicly kita intonation open=12=24.
- in ur case, try samakan fret5 =fret17.
- Sebabnya kedudukan nut biasanya ada lari skit.
- so kalo set intonation guna open = 12, resultnya tak mungkin tepat.

maybe u boleh carik keyword nut compensation.
- sebenenarnya kalo u main solo, dab banyak guner fret 12 - 24 adalah lebih berkesan kalo u bagi flat skit note fret 12 keatas.
- contohnya, note fret5 = fret17 (flat skit pada fret 17).
- sebabnya kita jarang perform chord kat fret lebih 12, dan ketika solo, biasanya kita add more force to the fret.
- So kalo u guna keadah fret5 = fret17 tepat, once tepat, once tengah menyelo nanti note yg u tekan selepas fret 12 kan jadi abit sharp, pasal biasala, mesti terlebih tekan punya.

Intonation ikut attack.
- Biasanya kalo kita main lead, petikan kita kuat pada string.
- lagi kuat kita petik, note akan jadi sedikit sharp.
- So aper yg boleh kita buat adalahintonation ikut attack or kekutan petikan yg biasa kita main.
- cara intonation begini biasanya famous utk shreder.

tq.
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bagus2..xperasan lak aku thread ni b4..bro ultra ni cam wikipedia bahasa melayu gitar la..haha..anyway,very informative indeed..many thanks ya..
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erm.. ade x tips nak set action ni... nak ukur guna ape ke.. sebab baru ni aku ejas ukur pakai syiling 20sen, aku letak kat 12th fret, turunkan tali... macam xjadi je... ade cara lain nak x?
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PVCpipe wrote:
erm.. ade x tips nak set action ni... nak ukur guna ape ke.. sebab baru ni aku ejas ukur pakai syiling 20sen, aku letak kat 12th fret, turunkan tali... macam xjadi je... ade cara lain nak x?


Action string
- kita prlu capo, pembaris 6 inchi besi, allenkey

Step1
- letak capo kat first fret.
- Supaya nut tinggi or rendah sangat takan ganggu.

Step2
- mensure string high dari atas fret.
- biasanya 1mm ker 2.5mm adalah ukuran biasa.
- biasanya 1.5mm adalah tinggi yg sesuai.
- mensure dari atas fret to string bottom[bukan string center]
- biasanya kita ukur pada fret 12 atau 17
- atau mana satu yg paling tinggi actionnya.

Step3.
- Adjust saddle tremolo supaya dapat tinggi yg hampir setara.
- adjust tiang pivot floyd rose yg pedal utk kedudkan terbaik.

Ada orang suka.
- Adjust high semua string action sama tinggi.
- mean kalo 1st 1.5mm maka 23456 pun 1.5mm
- Ada orang kasi 1st string dalam 1.5mm manakala makin naik sehinngan 6th string 2.0.
- Ada player lebih pentingkan radius action sama dengan radius neck.
- pada gua yg penting mana yg kita selesa.
- ibanez biasanya sangat rendah dengan lebih kurang 1mm kat treble side mana kala 1.4mm kat bass side.
- SRV tinggi 2.0mm teble side dan 2.7 bass side.
- pada gua 1.5mm bisanya the best ukuran utk mula, sama ada naklagi rendah or lagi tnggi dari itu.

Aku lebih suka adjust dari
- String 3rd dan 2rd dulu.
- Biasanya kita set kedua dua string tu supaya bila gua bending, string lain tak tergelincir ker celah jari.
- then baru gua set lain lain action supaya lebih kurang dengan string 2nd and 3rd tersebut.
- gua adjust string high dulu baru setup intonation.
- sebab makin tinggi action maka makin kebelakang kedudukan intonation saddle berkenaan.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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nak ukur tinggi string tu kat fret mana? atau mana2 fret pon boleh?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PVCpipe wrote:
nak ukur tinggi string tu kat fret mana? atau mana2 fret pon boleh?

- sorry lupo nak cakap, dah diedit kat atas tu.
- tq
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Title ni sbnrny sgt pntg bg pemilik2/guitarist2 tuk knowhow diorg
Tinggal lg terpulang camner diorg nk impliment kan jer
Wa nasht kn diorg fhm kn la btl2 article nih

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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erm boley tau x tuner ap yg seswai tok check dn wat intonation ni?
td survey tuner..mcm2 brand ad..x tau nk pilih yg mane..
so 2 yg mitak advice kt otai2 kt sini mane la tau kot2 trsalah beli ke nt..
trimas..
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ezly
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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salam perkenalan,

artikel ni alhamdulillah dpt membantu aku belajar cara2 nak set intonation utk gitar aku. dah 14 tahun main gitar yg aku tahu tune open string aje. hahaha.

FYI, aku ada beli gitar rg350dx tahun lepas, dan baru2 ni aku kena tukar tali sebab dah berkarat (jarang main.. main ikut mood).. selepas tukar tali tu (berpeluh gak laa nak re-string balik FR gitar) aku perasan tune pada fret selepas 12 a bit out-of-tune.. puas tune balik.. pun sama.. sib baik terjumpe forum ni.. so terima kasih sgt2 atas explaination yg diberikan.

cuma ada kemusykilan sket.. baru perasan je ni sebenarnye lepas blaja wat intonation setup.. kenapa pada tune gitar aku cam ni eh??: contoh::

- 6th string
- open string tune = E
- harmonic at 12th fret = E
- 12th fret = E
- 3rd fret G# sket.. skit laa
- 15th fret G# sket... skit laa

normal ke camni?? atau intonation setup aku tak bape cun??

spec gitar : ibanez rg350dx, tali ernies ball 010

minta pandangan rakan2 i-bands sume... thanks..


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tambah sket.. tuner pakai multieffect AX3000G - Korg...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aku ada sedikit penambahan.

Guitar Drop tune.
- Jika anda memiliki satu guitar yg telah di setup utk standard tuning E contohnya.
- Dan anda nak Drop tune kepada C or B or sebagainya.
- maka ada anda perlu buat balik intonation.
- confirm upper fret note akan sedikit sharp berbanding lower fret note.

Kebiasaannya,
- jika anda drop tune, tali akan sedikit kendur dari tune standard.
- maka kali ini semua note pada fret 12 keatas pastinya akan lebih sharp dari standard tuning E.
- So utk semua drop tune guitar, kedududukan saddle mesti lebih jauh dari neck berbanding standard tuning.
- guitar short scale tune omatik, kurang sesuai utk drop tune sampai B.
- Sebabnya guitar tersebut adalah short scale dan ruang utk pergerakan saddle nya terhad.
- intonation utk string 6 or 7 jadi imposible.
- Dan pastinya, kadang kala trusrod pun nak kena adjust sebab neck terlalu lurus, sebab tali kendur.
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