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eniQma
PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Lebih "kurang" lebih Sustain? Reply with quote

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Khabar pertanyaan...

betul ke orang kata...body gitar yg less kayu nye lebih sustain gitar tuh?
betul ke? betul ke para otai?

bis tu...contoh kalau Flying V...pastu pakai lak Floydrose campur cavity lagi...lagi less la body gitar tu punya wood...so lagi sustain ke?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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aku tak paham sngt ttg sustain ni ... bro ckp plying V floyd rose terasa aku .. Very Happy Very Happy

spec tuh mmg sama mcm gitar aku , aku tak dpt nak nilai kan dgn tepat ..
cuma bule aku ckp ... gitar ni syok oo ...
mahogany+set thru+floyd rose (walaupon under lesen punya)
tambah lak kat me50 ada sustain ... makin lebih2 ler ... klu bro dtg pasir gudang buler ler try2 giter aku .. no hal punya ...
Very Happy Very Happy ...

bro izzi,afiqme,timeless bule tolong bab2 ni ...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No. lebih berat biasanya more sustain.
- ceta nya cam ne... kalo kita petik string...
- ada dua pekara yg bergetar.
- 1 adalah string, dan 2 adalah guitar body, termasuk la neck dan semua harware.
- If string bergetar dan body juga bergetar, maka getaran akan saling membatalkan satu sama lain.
- tapi jika guitar getar lebih slow, maka lagi kurang effect dia terhadap getaran string.
- and berat body guitar adalah satu faktor dimana guitar bergetar pada freq yg rendah sypaya ia tak membatalkan getaran string.
- so kita dapat sustain yg bagus.
- Walo cam manapun ceta ne panjang, ada pekara lain macam, angle neck, setup, harware, resonance neck vs body yg menerangkan prihal sustain.
- even tone wood ada sustainnya tersendiri, juga pekara pekara macam neck trough, set neck or bolt neck.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ooo mcm tu
ohh kirenye yg aku dengar ni mitos je la..huhuhu
so kiranya yg penting tu, jenis kayu yg penting dulu la...
pastu baru yg ke detail sedetail skru...

tq abg Ultraman_cosmo...u r the best!
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betul la mcm bro oltroman kata..

berkenaan f/rose atau pun floating bridge pulak.. aku rasa fixed bridge best dan balance sustain nye.. aku mmg pakai kedua dua jenis bridge ni.. awal main guitar dulu f/rose mmg enjoy la.. tapi lama kelamaan terasa fixed bridge lagi best dan stabil..
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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T|melessness wrote:
betul la mcm bro oltroman kata..

berkenaan f/rose atau pun floating bridge pulak.. aku rasa fixed bridge best dan balance sustain nye.. aku mmg pakai kedua dua jenis bridge ni.. awal main guitar dulu f/rose mmg enjoy la.. tapi lama kelamaan terasa fixed bridge lagi best dan stabil..


betul3...lagipun FR ni remeh nak itu ini la...huhuhu
lg pon divebomb pon dah tak releven lagi ahahahahaha
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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ape susah sangat? Pakai lah compressor pedal, habis cite.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tremolo Spring floydrose sebenarnya antara rahsia nya.
- spring original floydrose ne kalo ko petik satu string, ia akan vibrate dan menyebabkan string seolah oleh panjang sustainnya.
- spring ne seolah oleh membuai tali supaya makin lama vibrate nya.
- kalo nak experiment boleh.
- korang sumbatkan lobang dalam spring fr dengan kertas kain or getah.
- aku experiment benda ne dengan tube getah yg biasa orang letak kat fender spring tremolo nak bagi kurangkan bunyi spring.
- ia akan menyebabkan spring tu tak boleh sustain vibrate lama.
- korang akan dapati vibrate dan sustain kat string pun drop juga.
- lagi berat dan solid block tremolo biasanya kan inprove the sustain.

Acually, ceta pasal sustain ne, bukan la sustain panjang tu la paling baik.
- The quality of the sustain adalah paling penting.
- kalo kita dengar dan pilih guitar yg bagus, we r not listening to berapa panjang sustainnya.
- kita dengar quality sustain, amacam dia fading, and ketebalan sustainya.
- Ada lagi pekara yg aku payah nak terangkan dengan kata kata.
- guitar fixed bridge ne more body resosnance tone pada gua, improve the attack dan biasanya ini benda orang carik berbanding sustain.

If u gonna need supperrr extra sustain, go for guitar dengan sustainer driver, macam guitar fernandes dan ada guitar baru yg gua tak ingat brand dia.

How compressor boleh add extra sustain?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ultraman_cosmo wrote:

How compressor boleh add extra sustain?

hah..Spiderfingers jawab!huhuhu

ultraman_cosmo wrote:
Tremolo Spring floydrose sebenarnya antara rahsia nya.
- spring original floydrose ne kalo ko petik satu string, ia akan vibrate dan menyebabkan string seolah oleh panjang sustainnya.
- spring ne seolah oleh membuai tali supaya makin lama vibrate nya.
- kalo nak experiment boleh.
- korang sumbatkan lobang dalam spring fr dengan kertas kain or getah.
- aku experiment benda ne dengan tube getah yg biasa orang letak kat fender spring tremolo nak bagi kurangkan bunyi spring.
- ia akan menyebabkan spring tu tak boleh sustain vibrate lama.
- korang akan dapati vibrate dan sustain kat string pun drop juga.
- lagi berat dan solid block tremolo biasanya kan inprove the sustain.

woo..macam tu...tp kalau licensed punya..mmg takde effect yg sama ke?
tapi aku penah dgr, kalau FRose ni kalau kita letak tremolo-block lg sustain n punch!...
betul kan?

ultraman_cosmo wrote:

Acually, ceta pasal sustain ne, bukan la sustain panjang tu la paling baik.
- The quality of the sustain adalah paling penting.
- kalo kita dengar dan pilih guitar yg bagus, we r not listening to berapa panjang sustainnya.
- kita dengar quality sustain, amacam dia fading, and ketebalan sustainya.
- Ada lagi pekara yg aku payah nak terangkan dengan kata kata.
- guitar fixed bridge ne more body resosnance tone pada gua, improve the attack dan biasanya ini benda orang carik berbanding sustain.

If u gonna need supperrr extra sustain, go for guitar dengan sustainer driver, macam guitar fernandes dan ada guitar baru yg gua tak ingat brand dia.

huhuhu aku tau sustain je..tapi taktau plak yg mana bagus n qualitynye!!
tq for the info bro!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeGq5umdgaM

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spiderfingers wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeGq5umdgaM

Laughing

ahahaha Gary Schutt cool...abg Ultraman tgk ni...tol ka apa mat saleh ni kata?
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ultraman_cosmo wrote:
Tremolo Spring floydrose sebenarnya antara rahsia nya.
- spring original floydrose ne kalo ko petik satu string, ia akan vibrate dan menyebabkan string seolah oleh panjang sustainnya.
- spring ne seolah oleh membuai tali supaya makin lama vibrate nya.
- kalo nak experiment boleh.
- korang sumbatkan lobang dalam spring fr dengan kertas kain or getah.
- aku experiment benda ne dengan tube getah yg biasa orang letak kat fender spring tremolo nak bagi kurangkan bunyi spring.
- ia akan menyebabkan spring tu tak boleh sustain vibrate lama.
- korang akan dapati vibrate dan sustain kat string pun drop juga.
- lagi berat dan solid block tremolo biasanya kan inprove the sustain.

Acually, ceta pasal sustain ne, bukan la sustain panjang tu la paling baik.
- The quality of the sustain adalah paling penting.
- kalo kita dengar dan pilih guitar yg bagus, we r not listening to berapa panjang sustainnya.
- kita dengar quality sustain, amacam dia fading, and ketebalan sustainya.
- Ada lagi pekara yg aku payah nak terangkan dengan kata kata.
- guitar fixed bridge ne more body resosnance tone pada gua, improve the attack dan biasanya ini benda orang carik berbanding sustain.

If u gonna need supperrr extra sustain, go for guitar dengan sustainer driver, macam guitar fernandes dan ada guitar baru yg gua tak ingat brand dia.

How compressor boleh add extra sustain?


Original FR kat heartfield aku mcm dah lemau aje cosmo.. ke Spring nye dah uzur..hehehe

Compressor sustainer o.k tapi aku suka sustain yg original dtg dari gitar dan jari sendiri..
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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T|melessness wrote:

Compressor sustainer o.k tapi aku suka sustain yg original dtg dari gitar dan jari sendiri..


huhu otai mesti la nak sume natural dari gitar n feel jari jemari..digital2 ni perisa tambahan je..huhuhu
tol tak bro...

lg satuu, leh tanya tak? ape beza sound Solid body dgn semi hollow body electric?
aku gitar biasa (solid) penah la pakai...hollow ni belum..ade sesapa yg ada guitar mcm ni?
ada perbezaan ke dari segi sound, tone dan sustainnye?logiknya mmg la berbeza..tapi ketarakah?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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CS3 memang boleh boost sustain tapi acually dia boost the whole signal macam kita add GE7 after guitar.
- cumanya selepas boosting circuit ne then CS3 perform compression utk limit the volume peak.
- Tapi kalo betul betul compression ia takan buat camtu.
- Berkesan bagi anda, tapi kurang berkesan pada gua, sebab boosting the signal biasanya datang sekali dengan noise.
- lagipun the sustain yg dihasilkan diketegorykan tone yg nipis, without body.
- biasanya akan tengelam kalo kita main dengan band.

maybe u all boleh search bout
- magnet string pulling.
- jenis besi or meterial yg boleh increase sustain.
- setup yg sesuai supaya boleh bagi sustain yg baik.

The only thing i can say.
- A good sustain sebenarnya bukan pasal berapa panjang boleh sustain.
- ia lebih complex dari tu.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so maksud bro...sustain tu lebih kepada individu tu sendiri ke?
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