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| deadzid |
 Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: Soalan pasal tuning... |
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ni aku ade kemusykilan skit pasal tuning...
aku dok tune gitar aku (standard E) guna Korg DT-4 (mcm ni) dgn calibration 440Hz... then try compare dgn Korg Pitchblack tuner pun dapat result + setting yg sama..
then aku plugin gitar ke TonePort UX2 -> laptop.. Launch software Gearbox 3 then check balik tuning - ade lari da... aku kena set calibration on Gearbox to 435Hz baru dpt accurate tuning mcm Korg... in other words:
| Code: | | Gearbox @ 435Hz = Korg @440Hz |
situasi kedua pulak, berlaku masa jemming session... kitaorg decide utk next session nak pakai tune D (standard, bukan dropped D).. so aku tune dgn Korg, guitarist + bassist tune dgn Zoom... turns out like crap... aku kena follow 2nd guitarist (pasal gitar dia locking)... bila aku check, aku kena set calibration kat Korg to 410Hz dan tune guna standard E...
| Code: | | Korg @ 410Hz (standard E) = Zoom @ 440Hz (standard D) |
so siapa yg hold the accurate standard piawaian punya tune ni???
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| spiderfingers |
| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Bukan tuner pasal.
Mungkin you punya gitar tak setup.
Intonation lari.
Open string correct tapi bila play over fret 12 hancur.
Tuner punya pasal sangat sikit, dalam 1hz ke 3hz accuracy.
Set your intonation/action properly. |
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Gearbox 3 then check balik tuning - ade lari da... aku kena set calibration on Gearbox to 435Hz |
- ini kita panggil latency.
- Walopun sangat sikit. mili mili second. akan menyebabkan original pitch dari string a bit flat.
- somthing cam ne cuma aku tak ingat cam mana nak terang.
| Quote: | | Korg @ 410Hz (standard E) = Zoom @ 440Hz (standard D) |
- In this case korg lebih legend pasal tuner.
- ketepatan korg ne macam antara yg paling dipercayai.
- Aper yg bagus korang buat adalah let everybody dalam band guna tuner yg sama.
- kalo lead guna korg, rythm dan bass, guna korg juga.
- memang ada perbezaan tentang tuner ne.
- Ini kita baru compare the open string, bayangkan error utk ovtave lain pula.
| Quote: | | so siapa yg hold the accurate standard piawaian punya tune ni??? |
- tak der siapa yg standard cuma ceta dia siapa paling tepat.
- biasanya kalo pilih tuner kita kena carik % ketepatanya.
- 440hz adalah standard utk modern instrument.
- tapi ada instrument macam piano, diorang guna <440hz.
- A = 440 Hz adalah standard.
- mean wave pada 440hz adalah present the A note.
- tapi semua tuner tak semestinya pada ketepatan tersebut.
- Oleh itu that why, selain 440hz, tuner di lengkapkan sepaya boleh lebih > 400hz> kurang.
- So u boleh calibrate dengan keadaan macam engko buat tu.
- Ko boleh alter zoom to match korg dengan shif to hz berbeza dari 440hz.
- Sebab tu strobe tuner memang mahal, bukan tepat utk satu ovtave tapi ovtave yg lain juga.
- sebab tu ia the best utk intonation.
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| boyroy |
| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: tepat |
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Ikut pengalaman aku
dah lbh 5 jenis/brand tuner yg aku pakai (all about RM 100)
Semua ketepatan dia x jitu,
aku x nk sbt jenama (sensitif to certain party)
kalo floating bridge, mnkn kt nyer fault,
tp yg ni fix bridge, so no doubt,
aper yg aku buat just guna tuner as a reference,
then adjust blk ikut telinga kita,
yg plg sng try buat power chord (chord kangkang -istilah org kampong)
kalo bny dia brgelombang mean x cun,
try adjust sampai bny dia rata/panjanngggg......... camtur,
** lps aku bc blk mcm lr tajuk sket aku nyer reply nih
sesah... je ar, bley pakai kt pakai, x leh kasi abai je ar
kalo slh tlg btl kn...
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: tepat |
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| Quote: | yg plg sng try buat power chord (chord kangkang -istilah arg kampong)
kalo bny dia brgelombang mean x cun,
try adjust sampai bny dia rata/panjanngggg......... camtur, |
- ya this one is real.
- boroy, gua harap u lagi banyak tulis and bagi pendapat la.
- sebab setup guitar tu memang dah darah daging lu.
- aku pun selalu guna keadah ne.
- guna overdrive or distort biasanya gelombang ne bunyi lebih jelas.
- Aku biasa tune 5th fret semua tali sebab aku tak berapa harap sangat dengan nut position.
- biasanya kedudukan nya tak betul.
- tuning open string dengan nut setup tak betul biasanya menyebabkan lagi masalah.
- So aku choose fret 5 sebab kat situ aku selalu main.
- kengkadang kita guna harmonic 5th dan 7th fret, and check bunyi bergelombang ne.
Tip
- nak tune guitar, itu tone roll down to zero lah yer.
- guna neck pickup, or mana mana pickup yg berada paling dekat dengan tengah string.
- So contoh utk strat, u nak ambik bacaan utk note pada fret 20.
- so pickup yg paling hampir dengan jarak tengah antara fret 20 to bridge adalah middle pickup, bukannya neck pickup.
- intonation dan tuning guitar ne ada pekara komplexnya walopun macam senang jer nak buat.
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| spiderfingers wrote: | Bukan tuner pasal.
Mungkin you punya gitar tak setup.
Intonation lari.
Open string correct tapi bila play over fret 12 hancur.
Tuner punya pasal sangat sikit, dalam 1hz ke 3hz accuracy.
Set your intonation/action properly. |
sila baca balik explanation aku dan fahamkan dengan jelas
 heheh...
aku guna guitar yg sama + open note + different tuner...
blom masuk part intonation lagi.. itu later on la...
nevermind, ultraman dah jelaskan... tq!
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