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| poundcake |
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jom kita carik tujuh orang pemain gitar, kita main kan serentak ketujuh2 modes.. bunyi camana ..oppss tambah sorang lagi jadik octave... 
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| salammmm |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ultraman_cosmo wrote: | | Quote: | yg aku tau, Boss ME-70 ade function harmonizer....
tapi utk major scale je...
tu yg aku nyampah tu...
kalau zoom dulu boleh pilih nak major / minor... |
- kata la ko nak Em harmony.
- sebanrnya ia sama dengan Gmaj.
- set Boss ME-70 to Gmaj harmony.
- So boleh main Em scaling biasa.
- Sebenarnya, ko oleh main A dorian, B phrigian juga.
- sebab all A dorian, B phrigian dan Eminor scale berasal dari scale Gmajor ionion juga.
Aper yg anda semua kurang faham sebenarnya adalah
- music interval.
- music interval ne pekara macam Unison, minor 3rd, major 3rd, tritone, perfect 5 hingga lah ker octave.
- go goole music interval... hhehehhehe. |
kalau x paham ape tu unison,minor third...etc...follow je link yg eniqma bg tu ha...gerenti pham 
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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huhuhu....
ultraman cosmo punya lg bagus salammmm oii...
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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My theory is similar to Ultraman's...
I dont know bout you guys but i take it in a more simpler approach..
Lets take it for example we play in Cmaj scale..
- The 1st guy plays a C note under Cmaj chord
- The 2nd guy will have a choice to play any note under Cmaj chord. So it will be either note C, E or G. (1,3,5 is a basic chord builder for major scale)
- Then the 1st guy plays another note which is G note
- The 2nd guy will have a choice to play any note under Gmaj chord. So it will be either note G, B or D
As my opinion here.. i would say that the harmonizing theory is to solo while making it as a chord....
From this... you could do a bit different from normal harmonize...
for example normally we would play like this...
- 1st guy played C-D-E-A (in Cmaj Scale)
- 2nd guy usually played E-F-G-C (3rd) or G-A-B-E (5th) or C-D-E-A (Root) or even higher or lower octaves.
In order to have more choices, we break each note into chords (based on Cmaj Scale...
C - C,E,G (Cmaj Chord)
D - D,F,A (Dm Chord)
E - E,G,B (Em Chord)
A - A,C,E (Am Chord)
The choices will be
C-D-E-A , C-D-E-C , C-D-E-E
C-D-G-A , C-D-G-C, C-D-G-E
C-D-B-A , C-D-B-C, C-D-B-E
C-F-E-A , C-F-E-C , C-F-E-E
C-F-G-A , C-F-G-C , C-F-G-E
C-F-B-A , C-F-B-C , C-F-B-E
C-A-E-A , C-A-E-C , C-A-E-E
C-A-G-A , C-A-G-C , C-A-G-E
C-A-B-A , C-A-B-C , C-A-B-E
E-D-E-A , E-D-E-C , E-D-E-E
E-D-G-A , E-D-G-C, E-D-G-E
E-D-B-A , E-D-B-C, E-D-B-E
E-F-E-A , E-F-E-C , E-F-E-E
E-F-G-A , E-F-G-C , E-F-G-E
E-F-B-A , E-F-B-C , E-F-B-E
E-A-E-A , E-A-E-C , E-A-E-E
E-A-G-A , E-A-G-C , E-A-G-E
E-A-B-A , E-A-B-C , E-A-B-E
G-D-E-A , G-D-E-C , G-D-E-E
G-D-G-A , G-D-G-C, G-D-G-E
G-D-B-A , G-D-B-C, G-D-B-E
G-F-E-A , G-F-E-C , G-F-E-E
G-F-G-A , G-F-G-C , G-F-G-E
G-F-B-A , G-F-B-C , G-F-B-E
G-A-E-A , G-A-E-C , G-A-E-E
G-A-G-A , G-A-G-C , G-A-G-E
G-A-B-A , G-A-B-C , G-A-B-E
You guys must be hating me rite now coz i oredi makes you mindf*ck... hahahahhaha
Oh btw We also one more choice...
to play 2 notes lower... which is on the 6th note... hahaha
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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this method also can be used for bassist & keyboardist... hehe...
Also a good way to sync 2 guitars that plucking
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Awesome,
- ini sebenarnya yg gua maksudkan kalo nak buat harmonizer, anda tak perlu main 3rd degree harmonic berderet deret jerr.
- maksudnya u are free nak pakai mana mana odd intrval, root, 3rd, 5th, 7th.
- 2nd n 6th biasa sound good pada major chord.
- but 4th biasanya avoid note pada major or dominant chord.
- kalo dalam music macam jazz, kita boleh ubah 4th kepada #4th utk elakan avoid note.
- nanti lahir lah chord chord macam Gmaj #4 dan Gsus dimana note pada 4th adalah #.
Rasanya,
- interval ne kita kena faham utk buat scale dulu.
- tapi utk buat harmony dalam satu scale, kita tak buat direct swap kecuali satu octave.
- C note nyer 3rd harmonic = E adalah 3rd major.
- Tapi D note nyer 3rd harmonic = F adalah 3rd minor.
- Interval 3rd major dan 3rd minor sebenarnya tak sama.
- kita tak boleh terus perform semua Interval 3rd major jer utk hasilkan 3rd harmonic utk scaling Cmajor.
- Kena tau bila nak pakai 3rd major or 3rd minor.
Aku rasa aku dah menyebabkan lagi berserabut... kakakak
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| salammmm |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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mula2 pham dah...dah ok...
masuk ni dah pening :
C-D-E-A , C-D-E-C , C-D-E-E
C-D-G-A , C-D-G-C, C-D-G-E
C-D-B-A , C-D-B-C, C-D-B-E
C-F-E-A , C-F-E-C , C-F-E-E
C-F-G-A , C-F-G-C , C-F-G-E
C-F-B-A , C-F-B-C , C-F-B-E
C-A-E-A , C-A-E-C , C-A-E-E
C-A-G-A , C-A-G-C , C-A-G-E
C-A-B-A , C-A-B-C , C-A-B-E
E-D-E-A , E-D-E-C , E-D-E-E
E-D-G-A , E-D-G-C, E-D-G-E
E-D-B-A , E-D-B-C, E-D-B-E
E-F-E-A , E-F-E-C , E-F-E-E
E-F-G-A , E-F-G-C , E-F-G-E
E-F-B-A , E-F-B-C , E-F-B-E
E-A-E-A , E-A-E-C , E-A-E-E
E-A-G-A , E-A-G-C , E-A-G-E
E-A-B-A , E-A-B-C , E-A-B-E
G-D-E-A , G-D-E-C , G-D-E-E
G-D-G-A , G-D-G-C, G-D-G-E
G-D-B-A , G-D-B-C, G-D-B-E
G-F-E-A , G-F-E-C , G-F-E-E
G-F-G-A , G-F-G-C , G-F-G-E
G-F-B-A , G-F-B-C , G-F-B-E
G-A-E-A , G-A-E-C , G-A-E-E
G-A-G-A , G-A-G-C , G-A-G-E
G-A-B-A , G-A-B-C , G-A-B-E
aslkn aku dah phm mcm mna nk harmonize pun dh ok...
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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hahahahaha...
What im trying to explain is...
Just play what ever you want... it have no limit...
as long as you hit the right note & sync with the current chord...
for example if the band playing a Gminor chord...
then if you play any notes that not related to Gminor chord, the sound will be 'sumbang' rite? haha
So if you play song that uses 7th, sus, 6th, etc2 chords, it would be harder to Harmonize.
this is not only applied for harmonizing... it is apply to the whole music & sync each instrument
Just think... didn't BASS is actually harmonizing to the GUITAR? (since octave also consider harmonize
Didn't Vocal also consider harmonized?
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| jibraun |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Eternal punye paling detail.. tapi buat org makin tak paham.. hahaha
-nyorok blakang salam-
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Pada pendapat gua sticky to 3rd, 5th and ovtave harmonize dulu.
- set satu solo phrase.
- layan 3rd harmonize, pastu layan perfect 5th harmonize dan ovtave seterusnya.
- nanti dah master setiap 3rd/5th/ovtave, try la gabungkan ketiga tiganya.
- half phrase layan 3rd and half phrase layan 5th.
Aku teringat, baca satu teori.
- kengkadang benda yg kita baca dari internet ne, kurang tepat.
- tapi utk kefahaman benda yg kurang tepat ne lebih senang di faham.
- Seperti, kalo main Am, Dm and Emaj cthnya.
- kumpulkan semua note dalam 3 chord tersebut.
- So jadikan ia guide utk scalingnya nanti.
- kalo main around note note tersebut confirm tak sumbang laaa.
- Memang betul, tapi sampai satu tahap, anda akan dapati music tak macam tu.
- kadang kala kita perlu note diluar dari 3 chord tersebut utk bagi more tension or alternate feeling.
- sebenarnya harmonize solo pun macam tu juga.
- sampai satu masa bukan hanya 3rd or 5th or ovtave yg boleh jadikan ia harmonize.
- tension note, alternate note juga boleh dan menyebabkan phrase tu lebih unik.
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| poundcake |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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take things steps by steps.. (macam lagu Back Street boys daa..)
master konsep "Relative minor/major" dulu..
untuk Key C (scale C major, atau C Ioinian) relative minor ialah A minor.. scale A natural minor atau kita panggil A Aeolian..
untuk G major, = E minor
actually semuanya dah diterangkan ...
apply semua tu dulu.. kayuh pelan2.. good luck..
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| salammmm |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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waa...bagus tips tu ultraman..respek2...
backstreet boys x layan la poundcake....heheheheheh
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| deadzid |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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ah pening2....
so basically kalau aku pakai ME-70,
kalau root note aku Em...
aku kena set harmonizer key to G...
pastu amek mode yang 3rd eh?
is that correct??
haiyah...
kalau ade function utk tukar minor / major kan senang...
tak payah susah2 nak pilih note pasangan....
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| ouraida |
| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| deadzid wrote: | ah pening2....
so basically kalau aku pakai ME-70,
kalau root note aku Em...
aku kena set harmonizer key to G...
pastu amek mode yang 3rd eh?
is that correct??
haiyah...
kalau ade function utk tukar minor / major kan senang...
tak payah susah2 nak pilih note pasangan.... |
Mcm xcaya ja otai sorg ni xtau psal bnda ni..
Kalau mcm aku ni xheran la.. 
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