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| Elohim |
 Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: Zoom G7.1ut vs Boss ME-25 *updated |
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Hi... xlama lagi, aku nak angkat satu ZOOM G7.1ut (xpasti lagi) ... nak tnya korang pasal multi fx ni... sound nyer mcmane? setahu saya multiefx ni dia ada pakai tube (valve)... jelaskan pasal tube amp (valve) nih 
*dan BOSS ME-25 pula baru keluar... cuba compare spec dua2 nih, mana satu brbaloi utk beli?
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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another alternative is VOX tonelab ST... ade tube jugak
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| ultraman_cosmo |
| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Aku seriusly tak pernah pakai kebanyakan zoom nyer effect.
- Tapi ada beberapa pekara yg mungkin boleh aku jelaskan.
Aper aper MFX with preamp tube
- tak bermaksud ia boleh simulate the tube amp.
- Sebab caractor utama tube amp bukan la preamptubenya.
- Pekara yg paling penting utk simulate the tube sound adalah POWERTUBE.
- without powertube sebenarnya satu MFX tak mungkin sound alike tubeamp.
Preamptube dalam MFX
- kebiasannya preamp dalam MFX just act sebagai extra gain section.
- cth
- input > distort> pream sumulation > preamptube section > modulation > out to amp/mixer.
- preamptube section ne bertindak sebagai extra gain section.
- preamptube section ne juga digunakan sebagai filtering the digital freq sebab preamptube ne tak boleh nak proses keseluruhan septrum freq berbanding digital prosesing.
- Tapi keadah filtering freq guna preamptube ne, akan menyebabkan sound much analog bergantung kepada overall design juga.
- sebabnya, preamtube n range freq nya tak lebar sampai Mega hz macam digital prosesing.
- Dan harmonic content yg dihasikan oleh preamptube biasanya sound analog.
Nak simulate tube amo ne.
- paling penting kena simulate the powertube, and the output tranformer nyer current caractor.
- Dan yg penting juga dalah cabinet dan speakernya.
- Kalo just preamp tube tu, ia takan membantu banyak sangat.
- Stakat satu, heheheh, preamp mmarshall jer pakai 3 or preamptube dan berbeza gain biasing.
- if terlalu teknikal, harap maafkan.
Kesimpulannya,
- preamptube dalam MFX takan membantu utk simulate the tube amp.
- Tapi preamptube dalam MFX maybe boleh bantu utk bagi tone lebih analog bunyinya.
- Analog tone and tube amp tone adalah 2 pekara yg berbeza ceritanya.
Behringer MIC100/200
- contoh satu preamp guna tube.
- keadah yg sama digunakan utk filtering freq.
- So kalo pakai MFX tak der preamptube macam pod or GT.
- guna la MC200.
- guitar> MFX > MIC200 > amp or mixer.
Harap ia membantu.
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| eniQma |
| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Tu dia Elohim...mr cosmo mai dah...
huhu
aku pon dapat blajar skali...huhuu aku bab MFX ni fail...ahaha
kita tunggu pakar MFX mr. deadzid plak
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| Elohim |
| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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tq ultraman.. awak ni mmg penyelamat umat guitarist..... wlaupun teknikal, aku akn cuba blajar... sbab aku xpenah bli mfx lagi....  anyway, thanks....
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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eh ZOOM yg kat signature ko tu? bukan MFX ke? 
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Aku dah penah pakai dah nih....
Sorry ek.. nih pendapat aku la....
Preamp die mm aku tak penah suke...Tube tuh bukan utk preamp pun...
die tambah boost lebih kurang mcm memBoostkan pickup...aku rase la... hahaha
FX die ok...lagi best dari Me-50
Harmonizer die best...!!! + 1
Nih bagi aku ek..jgn salah paham....setiap org lain2 pendapat...
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| Elohim |
| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| eniQma wrote: | | eh ZOOM yg kat signature ko tu? bukan MFX ke? |
aku sblum ni letak logo boss sebab aku guna boss compact DS-1 dan CH-1..... hehehe..., skrg aku perlukan mFX... ..aku letak zoom kat signature sbgai tanda aku mau beli.. hahaha
ni la kehidupan perantau... pergi penang dan sarawak ulang alik.. kalo mFX senang skit...
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| jibraun wrote: | Aku dah penah pakai dah nih....
Sorry ek.. nih pendapat aku la....
Preamp die mm aku tak penah suke...Tube tuh bukan utk preamp pun...
die tambah boost lebih kurang mcm memBoostkan pickup...aku rase la... hahaha
FX die ok...lagi best dari Me-50
Harmonizer die best...!!! + 1
Nih bagi aku ek..jgn salah paham....setiap org lain2 pendapat... |
hehehe.. its ok... I need the FX...
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| ETERNAL |
| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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haha..
mfx mmg tak leh ganti amp or pre-amp...
aku tgh pening sama ada nak puchase either below..
Line6 Spider 4 HD150
Marshall MGH100FX
VOX Tonelab ST
BOSS Me25
Aku punye requirement just simple ampgain+ pedal booster/gain + fx = few preset/channel
FYI,
Tonelab ST have buttons to simply turn off Amp,cab,distort,modulation.
both amp head have line out that have cab simulator by default.
ape pendapat korang...
1. Patut ke aku beli amp head atau mfx.. mfx can simulate amp.. but doesn't better to directly purchase the amp itself? since the price gap is not that far...
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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beli amp betul lah, walaupun bukan peavey 5150 tapi dia betul dari amp simulation..
"plugin/simulation/emulation are like porn, you always want the real thing" 'quote dr gearslutz'
hahaha
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| huzai wrote: | beli amp betul lah, walaupun bukan peavey 5150 tapi dia betul dari amp simulation..
"plugin/simulation/emulation are like porn, you always want the real thing" 'quote dr gearslutz'
hahaha |
haha.. i like porn... they gets you more creative... haha
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| ETERNAL wrote: | | huzai wrote: | beli amp betul lah, walaupun bukan peavey 5150 tapi dia betul dari amp simulation..
"plugin/simulation/emulation are like porn, you always want the real thing" 'quote dr gearslutz'
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haha.. i like porn... they gets you more creative... haha |
i like porn too...haha..tba2 masuk porn2 ni.. 
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| salammmm wrote: | | ETERNAL wrote: | | huzai wrote: | beli amp betul lah, walaupun bukan peavey 5150 tapi dia betul dari amp simulation..
"plugin/simulation/emulation are like porn, you always want the real thing" 'quote dr gearslutz'
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haha.. i like porn... they gets you more creative... haha |
i like porn too...haha..tba2 masuk porn2 ni.. |
off topic.. hehe. ..
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Go terus amik Amp la...Tapi head saje ke?...cab skali ke?...
x pun amik skali Amp + Mfx tuh...
Amp bleh amik tone Amp yg betul2....Mfx buat tambah lauk je la...
Kire mcm Maria Ozawa (Amp) + Dildo2 utk peransang (MFX ) carik yg vibrate2 punye...
hahahaha
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