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| manstim. |
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| kakibiru wrote: | emmm..blues.
Topik ni buat aku rasa bila telan air liur ..air liur aku rasa manis...sebab sedap topik ni.
Samaada ..apa yg aku tulis dan kongsi ni nanti releven ke tidak aku x tahu sebab Bro OMAR x cakap pulak..dia nak tambah solo dia jadi blues rock ke, country ke, fusion ke, jazzy ke..dan temponya perlahan ke, laju ke...but, syok dan manisnya air liur kat tekak aku, waktu menulis @ respon post ni sayang nak aku berhentikan & habiskan begitu aje.
so, aku sembang jela dan tulisla apa yg ada dalam kepala ni...
1) kena minat ( betul2 minat )
betula tu apa yg sham cakap. kalu setakat gitu-gitu je minat nye..maka gitu-gitu jela blues yang kluar. Apapun, xjadi kesalahan pun..belasah jela.
Cuma , kalu betul-betul nak main stail purist kenala layan muzik ni sampai mual, muntah, lebam satu badan.
kena layan pecahan blues ...bukan 12 bar aje. ( Bab yg inilah telinga boleh jadi tuli, perut jadi senak, mata terbeliak melayan perasaan muzik blues yang banyak cabang , byk mood, byk citer nye).
2) kena jadi bluesman.
Sebab apa tak ada istilah blues star? sebab bluesman bukan karektornya mcm rockstar. bab ini yg susah nak faham sebab ini melibatkan kesederhanaan yg berperingkat mengikut susun jalur mentaliti dan pembawakkan seseorg individu.
3) pilihan instrument.
Renung dlm2 pilihan instrument , pedals & amps. Nak rasa bogelnya anda memetik blues cuba la tele dulu sebelum pi ke strat , lp dan gitar-gitar seterusnya.
4) Rinngkas untuk releven dgn apa yg bro Omar tanya...mau bikin solo atas progression blues > yg utamanya..apa yg hendak anda ceritakan dalam solo tu. byk artikel yg aku himpun, kebanyakkan bluesman @ blues player cakap..xde apa yg susah dalam teknik main blues..kalu bende tu susah..x bluesla pada mereka.
5) Selalu anggapan stereotaip: siapa main blues kira masuk kategori Otai.
Kalu otai pun..tak semestinye bagus atau hebat. Apa yg Raggy tulis tu betul sangat dan bende tu dulula yg patut di gali , di kaji dan dimengertikan sedalam-dalamnye.
nak pandai main blues x susah, byk dengar lagu, tiru dan copy pelbagai licks x kurang dari 10 gitarist handalan, peruntukkan masa ikut tab blues licks yg ada..dalam 6 bulan ke 2 tahun ..gerenti handal punye..
tapi,
nak faham apa itu blues, mcmana nak kluarkan blues dari dalam badan sampai keluar pada tone jari bersama gabungan 101 mcm licks yg dipinjam dari legenda2 yang dah sedia ada maupun yg dah mati.. ini makan bertahun-tahun sebab itulah dalam dunia beribu mungkin hampir berjuta gitarist yg mengabdikan diri dia kepada muzik blues..tapi bila disenaraikan 10 dari padanya dah mati..dan cuma 10 lagi yang masih tinggal dan mungkin hanya hidup beberapa tahun aje lagi!
Sebelum aku kena kencing manis , cara paling mudah, paling bangsat untuk mendalami muzik blues terutamanya gitarist..belajarlah muzik ini sambil menyanyi. jangan terburu2 nak terus solo. Semakin banyak anda menghafal melodi lagu-lagu blues..semakin byk bunyian blues akan keluar dari petikan jari anda. Aku rasala.
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Bila baca balik , malu pulak...mcmla la aku tau sangat ..padahal biasa-biasa aje ...tapi sebab blues punye pasal ..kalu genre music lain x beranila pulak nak sentuh,
apapun....moga kita semua terus maju dan jaya..Yipiii!
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yg bold tu mcm pernah dgr je ayat2 ni dalam tahun 2005. Sabtu ni kita minum2 kat studio ko. Blues mmg layan....
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| browndog2woof |
| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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panjang nye topic ni... nasib baik aku main 'getah sekerap blues'... stock malaya lagi...
woof! |
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| kakibiru |
| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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hohoho..manstim. kita pernah borak ye? Wah..identiti ku terbongkar, ni yg buat aku tersipu malu sampai kecut lesung pipit di pipi kiri ku yang banyak tahi lalat ni...
anyway...part 2:
Aku memang layan Blues sebab boleh layan perasaan..dan layan perasan ..,bercampur aduk. Ini biasa dalam apa jenis muzik pun.
Apapun , blues bukanla ultimate atau pilihan paling mega untuk mencurahkan ekspresi...tapi blues memerlukan banyak ekspresi sewaktu memainkannye.....macamana tu?
Ramai bukan gitarist blues yg tak pakai skill bluespun...tapi ada blues dalam tone nye...macamana tu?
John Mclaughlin pernah cakap..dia bukan blues player tapi dia tak akan jadi jazz player kalu xde blues...macamana tu?
Clapton..pernah dan mungkin masih lagi dikritik oleh sesetengah gitarist yang merasakan mainan dia x berkembang asyik solo skill pentatonik dari dulu sampai sekarang....(* perlu ke dia tambah ilmu untuk dapat main mcm van halen atau satriani?) macamana tu?
John Lee Hooker kalu masa hidup dulu tengok apa sangatla yg dia sendiri boleh buat masa goreng gitar ...bandingkan gitarist blues yg lain...mesti dia gantung gitar masa umur 29 tahun...tapi tak. macamana tu?
Bukan maksud nye di sini...nak jadi bluesman...ilmu x payah tambah atau kena bersikap humble tahap wali. so, apa rumusan nye? kita sama-samala fikirkan sendiri sebab ada 1001 teori, alasan dan jawapan yang sesuai untuk diguna pakai , di pegang mengikut ideologi masing-masing.
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>) rasanye, bro Omar dah dapat goreng blues lebih sikit dah hasil komentar dan sikit2 tips dari geng-geng yg respon post ni. (jangan lupe bro, masa bending note C pada fret 13 (2nd string) lubang hidung kasi kembang macam SRV buat! Mesti feel punye.
>) Nazeem, izzi & zubira..keep it up. Kau org nila antara penyebab muzik blues x berkubur kat ibands ni dan kat luar sana.
>) Raggy..komen paling blues pernah aku baca kat malaysia ni. All the best 2 u.
>) Browndog...apsal lama xde artikel mcm dulu? HUH? dah jadi kedekut? tak blues la brother....
>) Kakibiru...CUKUP...jangan banyak sangat merapu!
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| omarjamaludin |
| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| kakibiru wrote: |
>) rasanye, bro Omar dah dapat goreng blues lebih sikit dah hasil komentar dan sikit2 tips dari geng-geng yg respon post ni. (jangan lupe bro, masa bending note C pada fret 13 (2nd string) lubang hidung kasi kembang macam SRV buat! Mesti feel punye. |
haha itu lah skill paling susah sebenarnya..
thanks for the article bro
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| omarjamaludin |
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| zubira wrote: |
Yesss....The Duke is the place..jom buat "rombongan cik kiah ke duta vista"..catch these otais when they are still around...Hazizi of purple haze (thursday & friday nights), Zainal Rampa of Kool Sweat (saturday nights)..
not only that, normally after the 2nd set, there will be jam sessions..hahaha..u cld suddenly see Zull King, Dicky dll jam kt situ..Dicky ni mat johnny winter..sweetest blues solos come from Zainal..even Shahrin of The Shahrin Band punye blues solos pon lentok abis..
and best of all, korang boleh naik and jam skali...owner tmpat tu mmg suka orang jamming..meh pegi friday night ni.. |
yeah bro zoob , definitely will pay this place a visit.. i understand there's a website somewhere right that advertise who is playing each nite etc
was supposed to come back to KL this weekend tapi passport problem so delay lah fly back ke malaysia...insyallah next wk
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| Raggy |
| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| omarjamaludin wrote: |
yeah bro zoob , definitely will pay this place a visit.. i understand there's a website somewhere right that advertise who is playing each nite etc
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The Duke's Website :
http://www.klblues.com/v2/
I may be there on the 2nd or 3rd Friday of June, arranging to play with my band for 1 set alongside Purple Haze, and of course jam a bit. Long drive there from Kulim, but blues punya pasal.....My entire fan club from KL will be there, all 2 of them. 
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| omarjamaludin |
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| Raggy wrote: | | omarjamaludin wrote: |
yeah bro zoob , definitely will pay this place a visit.. i understand there's a website somewhere right that advertise who is playing each nite etc
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The Duke's Website :
http://www.klblues.com/v2/
I may be there on the 2nd or 3rd Friday of June, arranging to play with my band for 1 set alongside Purple Haze, and of course jam a bit. Long drive there from Kulim, but blues punya pasal.....My entire fan club from KL will be there, all 2 of them. |
sweet raggy...thanks man..by right i should be back now in malaysia but got problems with passport or not i would have come and be your 3rd fan hehe
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| ronjeremy |
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nice thread... i feel (not think  ), that first and foremost, the essence of a great blues lick would comprise of 3 very important elements, at least for me: tone, bend, and vibrato. they are subsets to feel and vibes...
all the greats possess these two fine characters of playing the blues. EC is fondly known for his wrist vibrato (he says that could take you a long time to learn...), and his tone is amazing, even more evident from his playing with his older guitars, namely blackie and the red 335. for bends, he uses his pinky and not 3 fingers... that itself, gives a different tone and feel to the lick...
the 3 kings (freddie, albert, and bb) together with muddy waters and howlin wolf were the epitome players of their time, often credited for their influences to EC, SRV, Bloomfield, Winter, and etc. All 3 proponents have their signature tones, bends, and vibratos, and licks that go with 'em... even Winter's got a wicked vibrato from the slide he aces...
i'd say, emulate your blues heros and analyze their techniques closely... in the process, you'd develop your own sound. that's a faster way to have a signature sound rather than scales analysis...
scales are purely academic than anything else... in the end, you would only be identified by your signature tone, bends, and vibratos... and of course all of these make up your scale lick...
remember how you could identify a player just by his tone and licks... that's the light at the end of the tunnel... peace bro!
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| zubira |
| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| omarjamaludin wrote: | | zubira wrote: |
Yesss....The Duke is the place..jom buat "rombongan cik kiah ke duta vista"..catch these otais when they are still around...Hazizi of purple haze (thursday & friday nights), Zainal Rampa of Kool Sweat (saturday nights)..
not only that, normally after the 2nd set, there will be jam sessions..hahaha..u cld suddenly see Zull King, Dicky dll jam kt situ..Dicky ni mat johnny winter..sweetest blues solos come from Zainal..even Shahrin of The Shahrin Band punye blues solos pon lentok abis..
and best of all, korang boleh naik and jam skali...owner tmpat tu mmg suka orang jamming..meh pegi friday night ni.. |
yeah bro zoob , definitely will pay this place a visit.. i understand there's a website somewhere right that advertise who is playing each nite etc
was supposed to come back to KL this weekend tapi passport problem so delay lah fly back ke malaysia...insyallah next wk |
wokeh..let us know when u are back la ye.. |
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| zubira |
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| ronjeremy wrote: | nice thread... i feel (not think ), that first and foremost, the essence of a great blues lick would comprise of 3 very important elements, at least for me: tone, bend, and vibrato. they are subsets to feel and vibes...
all the greats possess these two fine characters of playing the blues. EC is fondly known for his wrist vibrato (he says that could take you a long time to learn...), and his tone is amazing, even more evident from his playing with his older guitars, namely blackie and the red 335. for bends, he uses his pinky and not 3 fingers... that itself, gives a different tone and feel to the lick...
the 3 kings (freddie, albert, and bb) together with muddy waters and howlin wolf were the epitome players of their time, often credited for their influences to EC, SRV, Bloomfield, Winter, and etc. All 3 proponents have their signature tones, bends, and vibratos, and licks that go with 'em... even Winter's got a wicked vibrato from the slide he aces...
i'd say, emulate your blues heros and analyze their techniques closely... in the process, you'd develop your own sound. that's a faster way to have a signature sound rather than scales analysis...
scales are purely academic than anything else... in the end, you would only be identified by your signature tone, bends, and vibratos... and of course all of these make up your scale lick...
remember how you could identify a player just by his tone and licks... that's the light at the end of the tunnel... peace bro! |
ron, u are very very right.. |
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| ronjeremy |
| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | ron, u are very very right.. |
hey zubira.. cheers! check out tis video clip here... really love the tone..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn9vyC_zLlE
don't need no fancy pedals, mixo/pixo scales, lightning fast fingerwork, not even a guitar pick; just a great guitar thru a great amp (think it's a 1957 fender tweed twin), and tons of feel...
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| zubira |
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| ronjeremy wrote: | | Quote: | | ron, u are very very right.. |
hey zubira.. cheers! check out tis video clip here... really love the tone..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn9vyC_zLlE
don't need no fancy pedals, mixo/pixo scales, lightning fast fingerwork, not even a guitar pick; just a great guitar thru a great amp (think it's a 1957 fender tweed twin), and tons of feel... |
cooolll..like i said earlier..IMO..EC is the best modern bluesman...the vocal n the guitar licks always in harmony.. |
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| ronjeremy |
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right on bro! have a good one
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